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SO! The following is a helpful ramble about Time Lords & suicide & why this would result in a change of gender, with an emphasis on the sort of conclusions your Gallifreyan character can make if they realize they're talking to someone who used to be male/female. Obviously, this is my personal canon, but since I figure other people don't have much cause to spend hours considering this sort of thing, it might be helpful to provide my opinions as at least a sort of jumping-off point.
Without further ado, I present
Regendered Regenerations & You
A Handy Spare Hand Guide!
Regendered regenerations are a tricky thing. I mean, just naming them is difficult. Technically, in canon, I’m pretty sure one of the Time Lords called it a ‘sex-change regeneration’, but Time Lords have a dubious sense of style. This is way cooler because it has alliteration. But I digress.

An example of Time Lord style.
Anyway, basically I’m writing this because knowledge of suicide as a way of changing your gender seems to be a pretty well-known concept among Time Lords, so that brings up the obvious question of “so what do you do when your Time Lord character realizes Three actually used to be a man”. Of course you can figure this out yourself, and I am not laying any of this down as law – Pretendy Funtimes Games + Lots of Optional Canon = lol continuity – but I figured, I had to think through this stuff, so I might as well give you a jumping-off point. Feel free to use or discard as you please.
The obvious place to start is why, exactly, a suicide would cause a change in gender. This is kind of iffy: I think there are a lot of factors, or at least there should be. I subscribe to the ‘what you end up with depends on your circumstances at the time’ theory. Your next incarnation is shaped by your state of mind at the time of regeneration, with a healthy dose of ‘also whatever will keep you alive’. This also has a physical component, I imagine, again depending on the circumstances. Whether this stops at “if you drown, you will regeneration into something that can breathe in water” or goes into subtleties like “if your neck is broken, your neck will be stronger and harder to break next time”... I have no idea. I may even change my opinion on this at some point! Who even knows.
But it is relevant to the suicide -> new gender issue. Because changing gender stems from the psychological state of the Time Lord/Lady – maybe depressed/screwed up in some other way, but not necessarily – and the survival instinct. See, suicide for a Time Lord can’t mean the same thing as for, say, the rest of us poor slobs with only one life. If they wanted cessation of existence, they could just pop some aspirin or, apparently, refuse to regenerate. Committing suicide and accepting your next regeneration implies that what they really need, pretty desperately, is a change.
So it’s not really suicide at all, at least not in the human sense of the word. There really ought to be two words for it, one meaning cessation of life (the death of one regeneration) and the cessation of existence (the death of the whole). Except probably the Time Lords would be unwilling to acknowledge the latter, and it’s doubtful whether they’d give a word to the former. Anyway. One can want the cessation of one of your lives without wanting to cease existing entirely.
So the statement “All suicides result in regendered regeneration.” is true, for the purposes of this description. I imagine it might also result in changed species/radically altered form, but we’ll go with virtually all, because the Time Lords seemed to take it as a given that suicide leads to a new gender. (I totally think this should include genders not necessarily found in humans, or even a neutral gender that is none of these. But that's never brought up, so.)
It should possibly be noted somewhere around here – to veer off topic slightly – that when I say gender, I do mean both physical and perceived. I suppose some Time Lords can become females without really making the psychological change over to Time Lady, and vice versa. However, given the huuuuuuuuuuge personality overhaul to regeneration, it doesn’t seem entirely likely that this would happen very often. Form does, occasionally, define function. That said, it’s not necessarily a sudden change. Just because you think like a female and seem, oddly enough, to more or less think of yourself as female doesn’t overpower hundreds of years of being male. I use the female personal pronoun for Three, but overall I think she's still a Time Lord, not a Lady, not yet. This is my long way of saying that there’s a period of fluctuation, probably one regeneration or more long, where you make the changeover from being one gender to the other.
In case anyone wondered: yes, Three is in that period of fluctuation. She’s in fluctuation about a lot of other things, too, like what kind of person she is now, and what kind of Doctor, and if she likes who she is or not. She’s like a teenager that way! Right now she’s in the awkward phase where she paints her nails black and pierces a truly ridiculous number of body parts, but someday she’ll come out of her room and we’ll realize there’s pizza in there that’s been decomposing for a couple centuries.
(I think that paragraph got away from me somehow.)
Oh, while I’m on the subject: I also believe that once you’ve changed genders for one regeneration, you’ll continue on in that gender for the rest of your regenerations, unless/until another similar event occurs. And then you’ll change again. This means that I have a list of actresses to play the Doctor’s future regenerations, and I plan to make a picspam at some point. But, again, not actually relevant.
Guess what! If you got this far, you're almost halfway through! Congratulations! Go get yourself a cookie. Go on, I'll wait.
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Anywho (see what I did thar), getting back to my original topic. “All regendered regenerations are the result of a suicide” is not true. Since a change of gender is really the result of an intense need for change, any time when you regenerate with this mindset can cause similar results. Such as, for example, if someone tortures you for a long time, and then kills you, and you desperately, desperately need to change to get away. Or an example involving considerably less pain and trauma works, too! Basically, I'm just saying that suicide does not have to be involved. Though, I suppose, in a way you sort of have to make your death a suicide in your own mind, even if someone else is doing the actual killing.
So, basically, the first conclusion you can draw about a regendered Gallifreyan is: Something Bad Happened. Whether it be suicide or some other traumatic event, something shook this person up enough to necessitate a visible, physical and psychological change in their being to keep going. They’re fragile, they’re damaged, they should be placed this side up and handled with care. So there’s a stigma attached to a regendered regeneration.
It’s not, unfortunately, that they should actually be handled with care, because the Time Lords are pompous gits, as a general rule. No, they’re looked down on. Suicide of any kind doesn’t really jive with the Time Lord philosophy. It’s common and low and admits weakness in the race. Suicide means someone thought they couldn't handle the universe, and that’s unthinkable! Ew. It’s also considered a bit cowardly, though that’s a bit more contextual. But basically, suicide isn’t considered acceptable. (This goes back to the why I don’t think there’s necessarily words for the different kinds of suicide, or even suicide at all, in the Gallifreyan language.) Thus the whole ‘blah bah you escaped our justice, you made fools of us, but worst of all, you had a sex-change regeneration’ speech in Exile. This is not kosher. Also I suspect depression & mental illness are also highly stigmatized and ignored in Time Lord culture. Because, again, admitting it happens is admitting weakness in the race. See: Time Lords being pompous gits.
(Right, so, yes. In addition, in the use the Doctor made of the suicide-gender correlation, it should be noted that it was very embarrassing to the Time Lords because it mocked them even as it was used as an escape technique. So that’s a double strike against it. Maybe even triple if they’re feeling particularly cross.)
But that’s not the only conclusion you can draw! Because, really, while ‘Something Bad Happened’ is a completely valid conclusion, it is also extremely reasonable to say ‘Something Bad Is Still Happening’. Because suicide, whether it be permanent or just partial, requires killing a part of yourself. And that’s not good. You can’t walk away from that undamaged. Even if it’s for your ultimate survival – wink wink nudge nudge Three – that doesn’t give you immunity from psychological trauma. It’s like, I don’t know, cutting off your arm and eating it to prevent yourself from starving. Sure, you live, but you have to go through all the pain and the gag reflex and in the end you don’t have an arm anymore. Only it’s worse, because in this example, your arm would still be in there, piping up every now and then about how you destroyed it and it wasn’t done existing. Your dead regeneration is still in there, somewhere, sleeping in your mind, but you’ve committed the ultimate rejection: you killed this part of you, and replaced it with you. Here I will refraing from segue into Three’s specific issues about herself and her previous regenerations.
And, of course, there’s that tiny thing where self-destruction has a slight tendency to spiral into more self-destruction. The first cut is always the hardest, etc. There this person is, weathering the aftershocks of killing him/herself. And it’s hard. There’s guilt, there’s pain, there’s all this crap that’s very difficult to deal with. And Time is the only healer. But Time Lords have this other option, this regeneration option, that can speed up the process. Another change of personality would be a shift away from the pain and the ouch. But, oops, that’s suicide again, isn't it? It’s a vicious cycle.
There’s really a few options here. One is that, magically, you work past your problems and turn out a healthy personality that’s fine and dandy with everything. Another, on the other extreme side, is that you get trapped in this self-perpetuating cycle of suicide to fix yourself. And the third (and by no means necessarily the last), is that you’ll not quite want to die, but you won’t necessarily want to live, either. This is more the middle ground, where you acknowledge that running away will make it worse, but you’re not necessarily going to stand your ground in adversity. Sort of a saunter vaguely downwards. You won’t end your life, but you might not take all the right precautions in a dangerous experiment. Or you might just be more reckless in dangerous situations, and, oops, was that a stray gunshot? Oh well.
Shhh, though, we’rehunting wabbits pretending not to have that mindset, or even that it’s somehow a healthy stance to have. So if you corner a Gallifreyan about a self-destructive tendency, they’re not likely to own up to it. Best to be subtle and make sure they have a suicide watch Companions.
Basically, the Surgeon General does not recommend suicide. It is not good for your health. The side effects include mild discomfort, people looking down on you, and the need to sort out weird new body parts.
In Conclusion
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Admittedly, you can probably read this section and skip everything that comes above it. But there were cookies several paragraphs up, and you missed them by heading directly here. No, don’t try to double back. They’re all eaten now.
Basically, there are a few inferences you can make about a Gallifreyan walking around with a new gender. They go like this:
Ta-da! Thus concludes my thoughts on Time Lords, suicides, transgender stuff, and also cookies. Tune in next time for even more words on the subject of a new shade of deer!

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Without further ado, I present
Regendered Regenerations & You
A Handy Spare Hand Guide!
Regendered regenerations are a tricky thing. I mean, just naming them is difficult. Technically, in canon, I’m pretty sure one of the Time Lords called it a ‘sex-change regeneration’, but Time Lords have a dubious sense of style. This is way cooler because it has alliteration. But I digress.

An example of Time Lord style.
Anyway, basically I’m writing this because knowledge of suicide as a way of changing your gender seems to be a pretty well-known concept among Time Lords, so that brings up the obvious question of “so what do you do when your Time Lord character realizes Three actually used to be a man”. Of course you can figure this out yourself, and I am not laying any of this down as law – Pretendy Funtimes Games + Lots of Optional Canon = lol continuity – but I figured, I had to think through this stuff, so I might as well give you a jumping-off point. Feel free to use or discard as you please.
The obvious place to start is why, exactly, a suicide would cause a change in gender. This is kind of iffy: I think there are a lot of factors, or at least there should be. I subscribe to the ‘what you end up with depends on your circumstances at the time’ theory. Your next incarnation is shaped by your state of mind at the time of regeneration, with a healthy dose of ‘also whatever will keep you alive’. This also has a physical component, I imagine, again depending on the circumstances. Whether this stops at “if you drown, you will regeneration into something that can breathe in water” or goes into subtleties like “if your neck is broken, your neck will be stronger and harder to break next time”... I have no idea. I may even change my opinion on this at some point! Who even knows.
But it is relevant to the suicide -> new gender issue. Because changing gender stems from the psychological state of the Time Lord/Lady – maybe depressed/screwed up in some other way, but not necessarily – and the survival instinct. See, suicide for a Time Lord can’t mean the same thing as for, say, the rest of us poor slobs with only one life. If they wanted cessation of existence, they could just pop some aspirin or, apparently, refuse to regenerate. Committing suicide and accepting your next regeneration implies that what they really need, pretty desperately, is a change.
So it’s not really suicide at all, at least not in the human sense of the word. There really ought to be two words for it, one meaning cessation of life (the death of one regeneration) and the cessation of existence (the death of the whole). Except probably the Time Lords would be unwilling to acknowledge the latter, and it’s doubtful whether they’d give a word to the former. Anyway. One can want the cessation of one of your lives without wanting to cease existing entirely.
So the statement “All suicides result in regendered regeneration.” is true, for the purposes of this description. I imagine it might also result in changed species/radically altered form, but we’ll go with virtually all, because the Time Lords seemed to take it as a given that suicide leads to a new gender. (I totally think this should include genders not necessarily found in humans, or even a neutral gender that is none of these. But that's never brought up, so.)
It should possibly be noted somewhere around here – to veer off topic slightly – that when I say gender, I do mean both physical and perceived. I suppose some Time Lords can become females without really making the psychological change over to Time Lady, and vice versa. However, given the huuuuuuuuuuge personality overhaul to regeneration, it doesn’t seem entirely likely that this would happen very often. Form does, occasionally, define function. That said, it’s not necessarily a sudden change. Just because you think like a female and seem, oddly enough, to more or less think of yourself as female doesn’t overpower hundreds of years of being male. I use the female personal pronoun for Three, but overall I think she's still a Time Lord, not a Lady, not yet. This is my long way of saying that there’s a period of fluctuation, probably one regeneration or more long, where you make the changeover from being one gender to the other.
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In case anyone wondered: yes, Three is in that period of fluctuation. She’s in fluctuation about a lot of other things, too, like what kind of person she is now, and what kind of Doctor, and if she likes who she is or not. She’s like a teenager that way! Right now she’s in the awkward phase where she paints her nails black and pierces a truly ridiculous number of body parts, but someday she’ll come out of her room and we’ll realize there’s pizza in there that’s been decomposing for a couple centuries.
(I think that paragraph got away from me somehow.)
Oh, while I’m on the subject: I also believe that once you’ve changed genders for one regeneration, you’ll continue on in that gender for the rest of your regenerations, unless/until another similar event occurs. And then you’ll change again. This means that I have a list of actresses to play the Doctor’s future regenerations, and I plan to make a picspam at some point. But, again, not actually relevant.
Guess what! If you got this far, you're almost halfway through! Congratulations! Go get yourself a cookie. Go on, I'll wait.
All settled? Shiny!
Anywho (see what I did thar), getting back to my original topic. “All regendered regenerations are the result of a suicide” is not true. Since a change of gender is really the result of an intense need for change, any time when you regenerate with this mindset can cause similar results. Such as, for example, if someone tortures you for a long time, and then kills you, and you desperately, desperately need to change to get away. Or an example involving considerably less pain and trauma works, too! Basically, I'm just saying that suicide does not have to be involved. Though, I suppose, in a way you sort of have to make your death a suicide in your own mind, even if someone else is doing the actual killing.
So, basically, the first conclusion you can draw about a regendered Gallifreyan is: Something Bad Happened. Whether it be suicide or some other traumatic event, something shook this person up enough to necessitate a visible, physical and psychological change in their being to keep going. They’re fragile, they’re damaged, they should be placed this side up and handled with care. So there’s a stigma attached to a regendered regeneration.
It’s not, unfortunately, that they should actually be handled with care, because the Time Lords are pompous gits, as a general rule. No, they’re looked down on. Suicide of any kind doesn’t really jive with the Time Lord philosophy. It’s common and low and admits weakness in the race. Suicide means someone thought they couldn't handle the universe, and that’s unthinkable! Ew. It’s also considered a bit cowardly, though that’s a bit more contextual. But basically, suicide isn’t considered acceptable. (This goes back to the why I don’t think there’s necessarily words for the different kinds of suicide, or even suicide at all, in the Gallifreyan language.) Thus the whole ‘blah bah you escaped our justice, you made fools of us, but worst of all, you had a sex-change regeneration’ speech in Exile. This is not kosher. Also I suspect depression & mental illness are also highly stigmatized and ignored in Time Lord culture. Because, again, admitting it happens is admitting weakness in the race. See: Time Lords being pompous gits.
(Right, so, yes. In addition, in the use the Doctor made of the suicide-gender correlation, it should be noted that it was very embarrassing to the Time Lords because it mocked them even as it was used as an escape technique. So that’s a double strike against it. Maybe even triple if they’re feeling particularly cross.)
But that’s not the only conclusion you can draw! Because, really, while ‘Something Bad Happened’ is a completely valid conclusion, it is also extremely reasonable to say ‘Something Bad Is Still Happening’. Because suicide, whether it be permanent or just partial, requires killing a part of yourself. And that’s not good. You can’t walk away from that undamaged. Even if it’s for your ultimate survival – wink wink nudge nudge Three – that doesn’t give you immunity from psychological trauma. It’s like, I don’t know, cutting off your arm and eating it to prevent yourself from starving. Sure, you live, but you have to go through all the pain and the gag reflex and in the end you don’t have an arm anymore. Only it’s worse, because in this example, your arm would still be in there, piping up every now and then about how you destroyed it and it wasn’t done existing. Your dead regeneration is still in there, somewhere, sleeping in your mind, but you’ve committed the ultimate rejection: you killed this part of you, and replaced it with you. Here I will refraing from segue into Three’s specific issues about herself and her previous regenerations.
And, of course, there’s that tiny thing where self-destruction has a slight tendency to spiral into more self-destruction. The first cut is always the hardest, etc. There this person is, weathering the aftershocks of killing him/herself. And it’s hard. There’s guilt, there’s pain, there’s all this crap that’s very difficult to deal with. And Time is the only healer. But Time Lords have this other option, this regeneration option, that can speed up the process. Another change of personality would be a shift away from the pain and the ouch. But, oops, that’s suicide again, isn't it? It’s a vicious cycle.
There’s really a few options here. One is that, magically, you work past your problems and turn out a healthy personality that’s fine and dandy with everything. Another, on the other extreme side, is that you get trapped in this self-perpetuating cycle of suicide to fix yourself. And the third (and by no means necessarily the last), is that you’ll not quite want to die, but you won’t necessarily want to live, either. This is more the middle ground, where you acknowledge that running away will make it worse, but you’re not necessarily going to stand your ground in adversity. Sort of a saunter vaguely downwards. You won’t end your life, but you might not take all the right precautions in a dangerous experiment. Or you might just be more reckless in dangerous situations, and, oops, was that a stray gunshot? Oh well.
Shhh, though, we’re
Basically, the Surgeon General does not recommend suicide. It is not good for your health. The side effects include mild discomfort, people looking down on you, and the need to sort out weird new body parts.
In Conclusion
Teal Dear In Miniature!

An example of congratulations for making it this far/a welcome back.
Admittedly, you can probably read this section and skip everything that comes above it. But there were cookies several paragraphs up, and you missed them by heading directly here. No, don’t try to double back. They’re all eaten now.
Basically, there are a few inferences you can make about a Gallifreyan walking around with a new gender. They go like this:
- Some sort of traumatic event occurred, likely suicide but not necessarily, causing this person to manifest their psychological trauma in a visible change to their physical form, and also a certain re-adjustment to their mental parameters.
- Gender change. Ew.
- No, seriously, Time Lords don't like it. It doesn't jive with their personal philosophy.
- Probably this person is still psychologically damaged in some way, and should either be shunned like anunbeliever or handled with some care.
- And they may or may not have suicidal/self-destructive tendencies you should keep an eye out for. Subtly, you know.
Ta-da! Thus concludes my thoughts on Time Lords, suicides, transgender stuff, and also cookies. Tune in next time for even more words on the subject of a new shade of deer!

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Date: 2010-03-11 03:35 am (UTC)I read it all, haha!no subject
Date: 2010-03-11 03:41 am (UTC)It was partly Brax's thread that reminded me I needed to write this. HE IS SMART THOUGH AND I GOT THE IMPRESSION HE FIGURED THIS STUFF OUT.
But yeah. Three needs companions. ALSO DAMN YOU I may have to move up her schedule for events since Brax was all "GO CHECK ON YOUR COMPANIONS". SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE TIME BEFORE TERROR OF THE AUTONS AND MIND OF EVIL DAMNIT.
You can have milk with your cookies then!no subject
Date: 2010-03-11 03:44 am (UTC)OH COME ON you don't mind. Brax can't let his
little brotherlittle sisteryounger siblingACQUAINTANCE OF DUBIOUS RELATION go to sad places.YAY!wtf enter button
Date: 2010-03-11 03:49 am (UTC)big brotherperson with aLITTLE SISTERFEMALE ACQUAINTENCE OF DUBIOUS RELATION, who may possibly need hugs sometimes even if she would never ever say so.Allow me to point something out to you. As I originally planned, her timeline would've looked something like this:
- Leaves Earth.
- Has adventures for a few months. Unwinds, unbreaks, generally sorts herself out whilst running around and being awesomely Doctorly.
- Goes to pick up Jamie and Zoe. Terror of the Autons ensues.
- Mind of Evil ensues quite soon afterwords.
Now it looks like
- Leaves Earth
- Has one adventure.
- Picks up Jamie and Zoe. Terror of the Autons ensues.
- Mind of Evil ensues. Brain goes esplode. May have to drag her onto the Plane mid-serial to give her a breather. AND THINGS.
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Date: 2010-03-11 03:54 am (UTC)well that wasn't Brax's plan.
:D Whoops!
He'll buy her a book or something. Or a nice hat.
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Date: 2010-03-11 03:57 am (UTC):||||||||||
I'm not actually sure what to do now. Maybe her TARDIS can rebel and keep her off-course a few times?
OR SHE CAN STEAL SOME OF HIS AWESOME ALCOHOL COLLECTION.
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Date: 2010-03-11 03:59 am (UTC)The TARDIS has been known to do this.
He already has Benny. He is not getting ANOTHER alcoholic.
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Date: 2010-03-11 04:02 am (UTC)Trufax. Plus, she's been on Earth for ages. The TARDIS could totally be like no bitch I want to travel some.
Yeah sorry it's canon. She's trying, but HOW CAN SHE BE EXPECTED TO STAY ON THE WAGON IF HE MAKES HER GO THROUGH TRAUMATIC THINGS I ASK YOU. ...It occurs to me I'm not really sure if Three ought to have gotten/should be having withdrawal symptoms.
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Date: 2010-03-11 12:57 pm (UTC)this is also in the TARDIS's track record
Maybe Time Lords don't get withdrawal systems. alien biology, idk. "Brandy is a habit,
BerniceThete, not a hobby."no subject
Date: 2010-03-11 03:20 pm (UTC)v. v. v. true.
I would go with this if she did not get canonically hungover and stuff in canon. Hmmm. Given that her last post should've been only 2-3 days after her last drink, I think I can get away with mild-to-moderate symptoms for the next few threads. Headaches and insomnia and maybe a little bit of nausea and stuff. It's not like anyone would notice insomnia in a Time Lord, anyway, and she just tagged EoT!Master and who DOESN'T get nauseous talking to him?
Reasonable plan y/n
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Date: 2010-03-11 03:26 pm (UTC)Yes, but it's also canonical that they can metabolize alcohol because they're fabulous Gallifreyans and it would be undignified to get hammered in front of the lesser races. So perhaps part of the self-destructiveness of her regeneration was letting herself get hammered?
But it is indeed a reasonable play.
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Date: 2010-03-11 03:37 pm (UTC)You're making me think when I was asleep only forty minutes ago and I haven't even eaten yet. I resent you for that.
I imagine there have to be rules, though. That is a v. fair point, and it does work with Three, but there have to be rules! Because I like rules. Cause and effect is nice. So I could see getting drunk as a choice, but once you do, you have to suffer through the hangover. Presumably, then, even if you're allowing yourself to get drunk so much, that doesn't really preclude the possibility of a mild physical dependence. She could choose to hit herself over the head with some amazingly rare vase from Brax's collection, but that doesn't stop the immediate pain of blunt force trauma, or the belated pain when Brax realizes she just destroyed part of his Collection. (SEE WHAT I DID THAR WITH THAT METAPHOR?)
I totally stared at that for, like, a minute trying to figure out what play you were referring to. And then I had this "...Oh." moment.
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Date: 2010-03-11 04:16 pm (UTC)SORRY.
That does not seem unreasonable. Indeed, it does seem reasonable. ---and yes that delayed pain is so going to hurt. Ohhhhh is it going to hurt.
sorry again
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Date: 2010-03-11 04:21 pm (UTC):|
\o/ I'll go with that, then, I think. Sorry, Three. - I KNOW. It's okay, though, Brax, she didn't destroy anything. Not so much as chipped.
:|
/random Ten icon I ought to delete now that plot!thing's over
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Date: 2010-03-11 05:29 pm (UTC)Eight's regeneration to Nine is somewhat suicidal and DEFINITELY wanted change. All of fandom concurs.
So why is Nine Christopher Eccleston.
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Date: 2010-03-11 08:33 pm (UTC)Two reasons occur to me.
1. Jodie Foster just wasn't available. (She's who I cast as female!Nine. In case you were wondering. I have wonderful visual proof in a picspam to come.)
2. If he had changed gender, he couldn't have hawt gay sex with Fitz.
...Seriously, though, when did fandom concur on this? I always assumed that regeneration was either during the War or during the destruction of Gallifrey. The former doesn't necessitate a suicidal frame of mind, and the latter could have been honest-to-God cessation-of-existence all-survival-instincts-in-the-off-position suicide. No need for change, just an end.
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Date: 2010-03-11 11:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-03-11 03:40 am (UTC)... Lovely cookies, by the by.
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